January 3, 2016
I encountered an atheist discussing my favorite subject
I read a discussion on Facebook yesterday that centered around an atheist's objection to Romans 10:9.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.A bit into the conversation the atheist wrote, "Remember your claim is..."believe in your heart that god raised Jesus from the dead." I don't necessarily have a problem with "Jesus rose from the dead." As an English teacher, let me enter my protest to writing "god" when English grammar and convention requires "God." Some atheists, among others, are in the habit of doing this. What really is a pet peeve of mine is when Christians write "bible" when English grammar and convention requires "Bible." That is a poor testimony. You surely ought to have learned better in English class! The atheist in the discussion brought forward his belief that there have been several people who came back from the dead and lived to tell about it, so Jesus was not necessarily returned to life by God. Of course, that fails to account for the fact that Jesus Himself, and the prophets in the Bible before Him, predicted His death and resurrection after three days. The atheist repeatedly brought forward his argument that one convinced person can easily persuade others to believe his lie. Then those persons, convinced of the truth of what really is a lie because impossible, can easily convince others to believe what they do. Leslie in his work, Four Marks: A Short and Easy Method with the Deists, fully refutes such reasoning. My friend on Facebook responded to the atheist, "The issue then becomes your determination to deny God." The atheist responded: "It's not a determination to deny God...its a simple logical argument that doesn't follow. Jesus rose from the dead doesn't necessarily follow to "God did it." I know at least 3 stories where people rose from the dead, did God raise them also? And if they claimed it...would you believe them?" Then the atheist responded to another well-stated affirmation by another person writing in the discussion thread: "The best way to interpret the text in Corinthians [1 Corinthians 15:3 and context] is that this is a belief which was commonly held, with witnesses that were still alive and could be consulted (and hence, proven to be false) if the claim was untrue"
- That's not the best way to interpret Corinthians
- A Witnesses claim cannot be proven false
- A LOT can happen in 20 years [alluding to Paul writing that long after the event]...correspondence is the key. It only takes ONE to convince someone of something. Keeping in mind, most of the bible is contradictory...especially the gospels.
- There are MANY other possibilities, the idea that a god did it, especially when there is no evidence for a god...is very far on the back burning [sic., writer meant "back burner"]. Bart Ehrman [Erhman] does a great job of explaining some of this.
- I'm not talking about events not occurring, I'm talking about reasonable belief.
- In China a grandmother was in her casket for 6 days. One day the family awoke to her being alive and making breakfast. [Another poster provided a link to this event which shows the grandmother was determined to not have been clinically dead at the time of burial--if I were better at this Internet/Facebook stuff I would share the link: Chinese woman, 95, comes back to life by climbing out of her coffin six days after she 'died'].
- I once believed in a god and was a JW as you know and then realized how fallacious the reasoning truly is. I am now an agnostic atheist and I see no reason to believe in God for the same reason I see no reason to believe in Santa Claus.
